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MessagePosté le: Lun Nov 28, 2005 12:36 pm    Sujet du message: 90s as a percentage of Maximum Potential Répondre en citant

The following scoreboard shows the percentage speed at which people can maintain their Powerball, compared to their record top speed. To make this calculation, take the person's top speed and multiply it by 1.5 to show the person's maximum potential (MP) for 90 seconds. Then divide their actual 90s record by their MP score to get the percentage. (Top speed and best 90s scores now shown in brackets.)

(Italic scores are for the "Edouard Technique".)
(Blue scores show recent % increases, i.e Better endurance record)
(Red scores show recent % decreases, i.e. Better speed record)
(New entries are shown in green)

1 - Stephen Installed Athon (USA) - (13928 ... 18844) - 90.20% Shocked
2 - Frédéric Obiw4n REMY (France) - (14147 ... 18645) - 87.86%

3 - Vincent CHERREY (France) - (14022 ... 18154) - 86.31%
4 - Sebastien royalflea CARO (France) - (13249 ... 17089) - 85.99%
5 - Adam GILPI Gilpin (UK) - (13251 ... 17017) - 85.61%
6 - Jarkko Pietilä (Finland) - (14832 Neutral ... 19002 Neutral ) - 85.41%
7 - Tim Adrena1in Bridle (UK) - (14624 ... 18705 Neutral ) - 86.14%
8 - Marie MosterMarie Wahlstedt (Sweden) - (12052 ... 15366) - 85.00%
9 - Guillaume GoUiDoS MORIN (FRANCE) - (14446 ... 18354) - 84.70%
10 - Edouard Kulik (France) - (14803 Neutral ... 18803) - 84.68%
11 - MJ Méndez Vázquez (female) (Spain) - (13316 Neutral ... 16695 Neutral ) - 83.58%
12 - Peter petemayhew Mayhew (UK) - (14032 ... 17486) - 83.08%
13 - Thomas leg51 Guicheteau (France) - (14570 ... 18019) - 82.45%
14 -Steven The Force Van Dijk (The Netherlands) - (14332 ... 17711) - 82.38%
15 - Ludovic Kaizzer Millier (France) - (14619 ... 18012) - 82.14%
16 - Akis Kritsinelis (Greece) - (16317 Shocked ... 20082 Shocked ) - 82.05%
17 - Cazes Jonathan (France) - (14666 ... 17960) - 81.64%
18 - Blaise RoLlnWanTeD Arnaud (France) - (14769 Neutral ... 18069) - 81.56%
19 - Dennis Van Hoof (The Netherlands)- (14966 Neutral ... 18282 Neutral ) - 81.44%
20 - Guillaume Guiwoods SAUCE (France) - (14827 Neutral ... 17970) - 80.80%
21 - Pako Fernandez (Spain) - (15136 Shocked ... 18244) - 80.36%
22 - Lukas LuckyR Ruzicka (Czech Republic) - (12282 ... 14789) - 80.27%
23 - James jimb0_d Donaldson (Ireland) - (14059 ... 16908) - 80.18%
24 - Artūras donkapone Lazejevas (Lithuania) - (11725 ... 14097) - 80.15%
25 - Jeremy JEZ Goldsmith (UK) - (15898 Shocked ... 18875 Neutral ) - 79.15%
26 - Stéphane YoD4 REMY (France) - (13229 ... 15687) - 79.05%
27 - Alexandre speeddelph GRENET (France) - (14278 ... 16923) - 79.02%
28 - James Marshall (UK) - (13622 ... 16108) - 78.83%
29 - Ken Weee Newton (USA) - (14275 ... 16863) - 80.82%
30 - Mathieu Shazam TAUZIN (France) - (14533 ... 16869) - 77.38%
31 - Mark mchap77 Chaplin (USA) - (15188 Shocked ... 17509) - 76.85%
32 - Björn Mustafva Hjelte (Sweden) - (15835 Shocked ... 18093) - 76.17%
33 - Duane dcash10181 Cash (USA) - (15650 Shocked ... 17602) - 74.98%
34 - Jordi Puig (Spain) - (14461 ... 14382) - 66.30%


30s Scoreboard:

1 - Stephen Installed Athon (USA) - (13928 ... 6570) - 94.34%
2 - Tim Adrena1in Bridle (UK) - (14624 ... 6796) - 92.94%

3 - Ludovic Kaizzer Millier (France) - (14619 ... 6696) - 91.61%
4 - Adam GILPI Gilpin (UK) - (13251 ... 6065) - 91.54%
5 - Marie MosterMarie Wahlstedt (Sweden) - (12052 ... 5502) - 91.30%
6 - MJ Méndez Vázquez (female) (Spain) - (13316 ... 6015) - 90.34%
7 - Jarkko Pietilä (Finland) - (14832 ... 6695) - 90.28%
8 - Edouard Kulik (France) - (14803 ... 6667) - 90.08%

9 - Peter petemayhew mayhew (UK) - (14032 ... 6262) - 89.25%
10 - Thomas leg51 Guicheteau (France) - (14454 ... 6431) - 90.55%
11 - Akis Kritsinelis (Greece) - (16317 ... 7253) - 88.90%
12 - Ken Weee Newton (USA) - (14139 ... 6322) - 88.57%
13 - Blaise RoLInWanTeD Arnaud (France) - (14769 ... 6505) - 88.09%
14 - Pako Fernandez (Spain) - (15136 ... 6662) - 88.03%
15 - Steven The Force Van Dijk (The Netherlands) - (14332 ... 6214) - 86.71%
16 - Lukas LuckyR Ruzicka (Czech Republic) - (12282 ... 5296) - 86.24%
17 - Björn Mustafva Hjelte (Sweden) - (15835 ... 6811) - 86.02%
18 - Duane dcash10181 Cash (USA) - (15650 ... 6598) - 84.32%
19 - James jimb0_d Donaldson (Ireland) - (14059 ... 5918) - 84.19%


Metal 90s Scoreboard:

1 - Stephen Installed Athon (USA) - (12200 ... 15940) - 87.10%
2 - Edouard Kulik (France) - (12349 ... 15824) - 85.43%

3 - Marie MosterMarie Wahlstedt (Sweden) - (9780 ... 12411) - 84.60%
4 - Tim Adrena1in Bridle (UK) - (12869 ... 15799) - 81.85%
5 - Jarkko Pietilä (Finland) - (13015 Neutral ... 15857) - 81.22%
6 - Steven The Force Van Dijk (The Netherlands) - (12047 ... 14627) - 80.94%
7 - Frédéric Obiw4n REMY (France) - (12239 ... 14565) - 79.34%
8 - MJ Méndez Vázquez (female) (Spain) - (10838 ... 12546) - 77.17%
9 - Guillaume GoUiDoS MORIN (FRANCE) - (12597 ... 14553) - 77.02%
10 - Pako Fernandez (Spain) - (13406 Shocked ... 15465) - 76.91%
11 - Alexandre speeddelph GRENET (France) - (13138 Neutral ... 14495) - 73.55%
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250Hz: (L/R)
-> 13603/13785
<- 14026/14974
Dual - 26659
90 - 18705 - 16865/18013
60 - 12206 - 11089/12283
30 - 6383 - 6415/6796

350Hz:
-> 11688/11409
<- 12238/13053
90 - 15799 - 13873/15407
60 - 10597 - 10546/10649
30 - 5362 - 5398/5895


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Posté le: Lun Nov 28, 2005 12:36 pm    Sujet du message: 90s as a percentage of Maximum Potential

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MessagePosté le: Lun Nov 28, 2005 12:41 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Very good Idea.... Smile But you'll always have to update it , when someone beats his speed record or endurance record... Smile

Btw one can notice that the best ranked people are using Edouard's technique... Confused
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MessagePosté le: Lun Nov 28, 2005 12:55 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

I don't mind keeping it up to date. I'll put in Italics those who (I know) use Edouard's technique, how's that?
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250Hz: (L/R)
-> 13603/13785
<- 14026/14974
Dual - 26659
90 - 18705 - 16865/18013
60 - 12206 - 11089/12283
30 - 6383 - 6415/6796

350Hz:
-> 11688/11409
<- 12238/13053
90 - 15799 - 13873/15407
60 - 10597 - 10546/10649
30 - 5362 - 5398/5895
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MessagePosté le: Lun Nov 28, 2005 12:56 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

That´s very interesting. Smile
Maybe when you reach a high % you´re prepared to score a new personal high speed record, so what % is the best?
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MessagePosté le: Lun Nov 28, 2005 2:03 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

I have to say that I think Akis is pretty much the standard-setter when it comes to Powerballs. He can maintain 81% of his maximum, so I reckon that's a good figure. Anyone above that should be able to achieve a higher top speed, (Edouard-Technique not applicable), and anyone below that should be able to produce better Endurance scores.

So MJ, you and I should both be able to increase our top speeds really. Let's go for it this weekend! Wink
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250Hz: (L/R)
-> 13603/13785
<- 14026/14974
Dual - 26659
90 - 18705 - 16865/18013
60 - 12206 - 11089/12283
30 - 6383 - 6415/6796

350Hz:
-> 11688/11409
<- 12238/13053
90 - 15799 - 13873/15407
60 - 10597 - 10546/10649
30 - 5362 - 5398/5895


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MessagePosté le: Mar Nov 29, 2005 1:09 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Adrena1in a écrit:

So MJ, you and I should both be able to increase our top speeds really. Let's go for it this weekend! Wink


I´m really trying it. Razz
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MessagePosté le: Mar Nov 29, 2005 1:58 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

This evening i did 16967 in 90s Evil or Very Mad My new score is (16967*100)/(13266*1,5)=85,27%

I'll try the "standard" technique for 90s, maybe it'll give me better results (and i'll kill those crazy 17k Rolling Eyes )

edit: btw, VERY good idea Smile
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250Hz: 14702 (R) 15079 (L)
350Hz: 12710 (R) 11921 (L)
Dual: 27628

Endurance:
250Hz 30s: 6754 (L+R)
250Hz 90s: 18803 (L+R ed tech)
350Hz 90s: 15824 (L+R ed tech)
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MessagePosté le: Mar Nov 29, 2005 6:15 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Facts:

1) The MP figure for endurance is based on the top spped achieved by the persons fastest hand.
2) In endurance we use both hands.
3) Many of us have achived a lot better speed scores with one hand than the other.
4) The ones who have better endurance scores are the ones that their top speed is very near with both hands.
5) Spinning the ball at an average of 11200 RPM (which is a lousy speed score) gives a good endurance score of 16800 which is 2300 - 2800 RPM less than good speed score.
6) Endurance helps achieving better speed scores, but a good endurance powerballer is not necessarily a good speed powerballer -see 5)
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MessagePosté le: Mar Nov 29, 2005 10:37 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

tlk70 a écrit:
1) The MP figure for endurance is based on the top spped achieved by the persons fastest hand.
Good point. Do you think I should make the MP (Left-hand speed * 1.5 + Right-hand speed * 1.5) / 2?
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250Hz: (L/R)
-> 13603/13785
<- 14026/14974
Dual - 26659
90 - 18705 - 16865/18013
60 - 12206 - 11089/12283
30 - 6383 - 6415/6796

350Hz:
-> 11688/11409
<- 12238/13053
90 - 15799 - 13873/15407
60 - 10597 - 10546/10649
30 - 5362 - 5398/5895
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MessagePosté le: Mar Nov 29, 2005 5:42 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Adrena1in a écrit:
tlk70 a écrit:
1) The MP figure for endurance is based on the top spped achieved by the persons fastest hand.
Good point. Do you think I should make the MP (Left-hand speed * 1.5 + Right-hand speed * 1.5) / 2?


I'm not saying you should, cause it's gonna be alot more work for you, besides you won't know for sure the top scores from all particpants for each hand. But it could give you a more accurate %. Most guys out there would have higher %.


There are more things involved, but there no way of meassuring them, like how many times the change hands during endurance (this slows you down) and how much of each hand is done, some do 50-50 I've seen other do 70 - 30 favoring the fastest hand.

The MP figure considers the top speed from 0 - 90 secs, that is impossible, since you start from either from 0 RPM or no more than 10K RPM.
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MessagePosté le: Mar Nov 29, 2005 5:58 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

I know it's not going to be figures set in stone...I just wanted to do something where I can be considered a relative leader. (Until recently I was the leader!) It just highlights some interesting issues, that's all.

You need to post some official scores so that I can add you to the leaderboard! Wink
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250Hz: (L/R)
-> 13603/13785
<- 14026/14974
Dual - 26659
90 - 18705 - 16865/18013
60 - 12206 - 11089/12283
30 - 6383 - 6415/6796

350Hz:
-> 11688/11409
<- 12238/13053
90 - 15799 - 13873/15407
60 - 10597 - 10546/10649
30 - 5362 - 5398/5895
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MessagePosté le: Mar Nov 29, 2005 6:12 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Nice scoreboard....maybe I'll give it a go this weekend for some 90sec trials.

Regards,

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Speed:14332(L),14100(R)
30s:6134(L),6214(R),6016(L+R)
60s:10112(L),10257(R),11158(L+R)
90s:14158(L),14378(R),17711(L+R)
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MessagePosté le: Mer Nov 30, 2005 9:04 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

My endurance sucks! so I won't posting scores any time soon, this is for several reasons:

a) I don't do a whole lot Powerballing
b) I don't practice endurance, only speed.
c) There is a 2400+ gap between my top score and my top score with my left hand.
d) My endurance and left hand score were recorded with a battled up ball, which I use for practice, and I don;t plan on battling up my speed ball doing endurance.
e) My goal is to be in the top 5 in Speed by March next year (but would accept top 10 as a consolation price), the endurance board would go through a lot of changes in the next year. So I'll try to climb a more stable board (speed board) instead.
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MessagePosté le: Mer Nov 30, 2005 11:12 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

tlk70, if I were you I would start practising more with my left hand, to try and even myself up. I'm right-handed and my right hand scores were always quite a bit better than my left hand scores when I first started Powerballing. I don't really think I overdid the practise with my left...I just used it a little more to help build my muscles up, and as time went on my left got better and better, until suddenly one day I broke my all-time record using my left hand.

Since then I've been very even, and lately it seems that each time I break my record it's with a different hand. 13215 right, 13241 left, 13476 right, 13579 left.

If I only ever used one hand for speed I would be breaking my record half as often. Wink

I know it would take you quite a while to improve your left by 2400 revs, but I think you'd see the benefits when you got there.
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250Hz: (L/R)
-> 13603/13785
<- 14026/14974
Dual - 26659
90 - 18705 - 16865/18013
60 - 12206 - 11089/12283
30 - 6383 - 6415/6796

350Hz:
-> 11688/11409
<- 12238/13053
90 - 15799 - 13873/15407
60 - 10597 - 10546/10649
30 - 5362 - 5398/5895
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MessagePosté le: Mer Nov 30, 2005 7:43 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

The main reason I don't do much left hand is because is still don't get used to the bigger ball (I started with techno) and the torque difference with my right.
My hands are small and were sore for long time with the counter models, I'm beginning to get a feel for the ball and as a result my scores will be higher and more consistent (I hope). So the time I spend Powerballing I spend it with my right hand.

Now regarding my left hand, I being doing a bit more lately cause I'm resting my right, but I've always had a grip problem, I'm not confortable at all with my grip, and as long as I don;t get a feel for the ball with my left hand I won;t show good results. My best score with the left was achived a couple of days ago with my battled PB, so it could possibly be 700 -1000 higher on my speed P-ball. My best score lately on that ball with my right is 13100, when I can break the 14K constantly with my speed ball.
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