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Pako
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| Adrena1in a écrit: | | Just waiting for all the videos before approving the scores. |
btw, Cazes videos are at gmail account.
Pako.
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REGULAR:
speed = 15136 ; 13606(L)
30s = 6662
90s = 18244 ; 17593(R) ; 15558(L)
dual = 27113
reverse = 14233(R) ; 12900(L)
SOUNDBALL:
speed = 14636
METAL:
speed = 13406
90s = 15465 |
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Adrena1in
Gyro- Godlike
Inscrit le: 26 Sep 2005
Messages: 1839
Localisation: #18 Plastic / #11 Metal / #5 90s Gripper
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| Posté le: Mar Aoû 29, 2006 9:11 pm Sujet du message: |
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Oh good, I keep forgetting about GMail.
| Pako a écrit: | oh no!!!  I'm no longer 2nd on Dual Run 
Pako. |
Could people take a look at the Dual Run actually please, and let me know what they think? There's little doubt of the 14614 score he manages, but I would say that he totally relaxes his left hand to achieve the top score with his right. This goes against the rules of the Dual Hand scoreboard really. I might speak to Enda and Rory to see what they think.
Anyway, I've approved his Metal and Top Speed scores...was wondering when his 250Hz scores were going to go up, because his Metal scores were only just over 1000 behind, whereas most people are around 1800 to 2300 behind their 250Hz scores with their 350Hz scores.
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250Hz: (L/R)
-> 13603/13785
<- 14026/14974
Dual - 26659
90 - 18705 - 16865/18013
60 - 12206 - 11089/12283
30 - 6383 - 6415/6796
350Hz:
-> 11688/11409
<- 12238/13053
90 - 15799 - 13873/15407
60 - 10597 - 10546/10649
30 - 5362 - 5398/5895 |
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Pako
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| Posté le: Mar Aoû 29, 2006 11:05 pm Sujet du message: |
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| Adrena1in a écrit: | | There's little doubt of the 14614 score he manages, but I would say that he totally relaxes his left hand to achieve the top score with his right. This goes against the rules of the Dual Hand scoreboard really. I might speak to Enda and Rory to see what they think. |
Hell yeah! I didn't pay attention to that interesting detail. And you are right... he relaxes his left hand, and starts the big acceleration (congratulations anyway for that) with the right hand.
I have analyze the sound, and here is the proof:
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/620/dualdp3.jpg
As you can see, the highest score for left hand is about 12.5k; at that same moment we have a 13.6k speed on right hand. So, I guess that if we want to be very very strict, the dual score is at most = 12.5k+13.6k = 26.1k
You can appreciate on the graph that the left speed decreases at 26.5 seconds from start. Also we see that 0.5 seconds after, the right hand speed remains constant. My evil interpretation is that he is mentally focusing all energy on right hand, to give the next big burst. And that is what he does during 1.5 seconds. Is that too much or too short time? It depends: some guys accelerate faster and others slower. The real intention could be concluded analyzing the way Cazes accelerates with his one-hand right records.
I'm not trying to survive on 2nd place, but I would refuse that score: looking again the video it is clear to me that when his right hand is about 13.6k, his left hand burst starts to "fail" somewhat moving the arm in a way that I would say is not intended to increase or even maintain the speed, but to let it slow down (slowly). Or Enda/Rory should decide the rules. Rules shouldn't be very very strict, but we should have a reasonable limit 
This concludes my analysis... more to come... 
Pako.
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REGULAR:
speed = 15136 ; 13606(L)
30s = 6662
90s = 18244 ; 17593(R) ; 15558(L)
dual = 27113
reverse = 14233(R) ; 12900(L)
SOUNDBALL:
speed = 14636
METAL:
speed = 13406
90s = 15465 |
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Weee
Moderator
Inscrit le: 07 Aoû 2006
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| Posté le: Mar Aoû 29, 2006 11:17 pm Sujet du message: |
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I agree with Pako that the score should not be allowed as a dual run, as the peak of the two hands occurs almost 5 seconds apart, and you can indeed see him stop making effort with the left.
I personally was concerned that my score would be rejected when my two peaks were only 1s apart, and i was still maintaining effort on my slower hand while my fast hand peaked. I'd say this effort just doesn't qualify as a dual run.
Edit:
Here's the jpg of my audio for comparison
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a270/djaziz/dualrun.jpg
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Scores:
RR - 13485 RF - 14275 LR - 11268 LF - 12595 Dual -25461
30s scores
RR - 5670 RF- 6322 LR - 5kish LF - 5607
90s - 16985
Metal - RR - 10810 RF - 12419 LF - 10718 LR - 95xx
Dernière édition par Weee le Mar Aoû 29, 2006 11:39 pm; édité 1 fois |
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Pako
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| Posté le: Mar Aoû 29, 2006 11:20 pm Sujet du message: |
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I would say that letting the faster hand be relaxed and increase the speed of the slower hand, could be considered more legal than the opposite. Don't u think?
Pako.
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REGULAR:
speed = 15136 ; 13606(L)
30s = 6662
90s = 18244 ; 17593(R) ; 15558(L)
dual = 27113
reverse = 14233(R) ; 12900(L)
SOUNDBALL:
speed = 14636
METAL:
speed = 13406
90s = 15465 |
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Pako
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| Posté le: Mar Aoû 29, 2006 11:31 pm Sujet du message: |
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| Pako a écrit: |
This concludes my analysis... more to come...
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Pako likes 2nd place, so, just in case Cazes score is approved, here is mine: 27113
Here is the analysis of the sound: http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/2677/dual1298214151qg3.jpg
and the video has been sent to gmail account.
Pako.
P.S.: edited message, I thought left was 12982, but it was really 12962. So total is 27113 not 27133
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REGULAR:
speed = 15136 ; 13606(L)
30s = 6662
90s = 18244 ; 17593(R) ; 15558(L)
dual = 27113
reverse = 14233(R) ; 12900(L)
SOUNDBALL:
speed = 14636
METAL:
speed = 13406
90s = 15465 |
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manudo
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| Posté le: Mer Aoû 30, 2006 2:22 pm Sujet du message: |
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oh no, an australian beat my monthly record on pb.com...
We'll seen that the next months ....
(Hola Pako !!) |
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Pako
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| Posté le: Mer Aoû 30, 2006 3:40 pm Sujet du message: |
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Hola manudo!!! venga tio! animo! a por el record!
Pako.
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REGULAR:
speed = 15136 ; 13606(L)
30s = 6662
90s = 18244 ; 17593(R) ; 15558(L)
dual = 27113
reverse = 14233(R) ; 12900(L)
SOUNDBALL:
speed = 14636
METAL:
speed = 13406
90s = 15465 |
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manudo
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| Posté le: Mer Aoû 30, 2006 3:58 pm Sujet du message: |
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vamos a ver q pasa con el record .. Pero tio para ir hasta 15k es un rollo...
Voy a tener animarme un huevo ... 
Hasta pronto tio ! |
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donkapone
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| Posté le: Mer Aoû 30, 2006 4:36 pm Sujet du message: |
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Yeah, me too. 
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manudo
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| Posté le: Jeu Sep 07, 2006 2:16 pm Sujet du message: |
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HOLA PAKO !!
Q tal todo ? Pues mira, hace muy poco t estaba diciendo q seria chungo de llegar hasta 15k+ PERO ayer he conseguido un 14947 ! O sea q cuidadito hombre q a lo mejor el mes que viene (o quizas antes) t podria adelantar ..
O sea q, animo hombre , cuidate y hasta pronto on el chat irc de gyrotek !
Buen dia y fuerza !!!
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Adrena1in
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Inscrit le: 26 Sep 2005
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Localisation: #18 Plastic / #11 Metal / #5 90s Gripper
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| Posté le: Jeu Sep 07, 2006 2:27 pm Sujet du message: |
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This is meant to be an English-speaking forum you know! 
HELLO PAKO! Q so everything? Because it watches, it makes very little t was saying to serious q chungo to arrive until 15k+ BUT I have obtained 14947 yesterday! That is cuidadito q man q perhaps the month that comes (or perhaps before) t podria to advance. That is q, I animate man, cuidate and until soon on chat IRC of gyrotek! Good day and forces!
(Google Translate makes me laugh!!)
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250Hz: (L/R)
-> 13603/13785
<- 14026/14974
Dual - 26659
90 - 18705 - 16865/18013
60 - 12206 - 11089/12283
30 - 6383 - 6415/6796
350Hz:
-> 11688/11409
<- 12238/13053
90 - 15799 - 13873/15407
60 - 10597 - 10546/10649
30 - 5362 - 5398/5895 |
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manudo
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| Posté le: Jeu Sep 07, 2006 2:33 pm Sujet du message: |
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that's right !
What a great translation !!
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Pako
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| Posté le: Jeu Sep 07, 2006 2:52 pm Sujet du message: |
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HOLA MANUDO!
| manudo a écrit: | HOLA PAKO !!
Q tal todo ? Pues mira, hace muy poco t estaba diciendo q seria chungo de llegar hasta 15k+ PERO ayer he conseguido un 14947 ! O sea q cuidadito hombre q a lo mejor el mes que viene (o quizas antes) t podria adelantar ..
O sea q, animo hombre , cuidate y hasta pronto on el chat irc de gyrotek !
Buen dia y fuerza !!! |
hey manudo!
I'm very surprised about your improvements! how the hell u do it?
You've been few months powerballing, and you are so far! When accelerating the ball with right arm, do you always use that technique? You technique seems to have room for improvement, but even though you still are getting very high scores... if you keep training I'll have to worry
I would pass 15k right now, but the thing is that I'm not quite happy with my technique, and I've been trying new styles, seated, standing up, kneeing to the floor, everything... I'm still now satisfied, and also I think I should take care of my fingers.. at those speeds it could be dangerous and I've been suffering it many months. My muscles can get to shape fast, but not my tendons 
Who will reach 15k first? Manudo? Guiwoods? Pako? TheForce?
I think Manudo will be first, then Pako, then Guiwoods, and soon after TheForce 
Pako.
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REGULAR:
speed = 15136 ; 13606(L)
30s = 6662
90s = 18244 ; 17593(R) ; 15558(L)
dual = 27113
reverse = 14233(R) ; 12900(L)
SOUNDBALL:
speed = 14636
METAL:
speed = 13406
90s = 15465 |
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manudo
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| Posté le: Jeu Sep 07, 2006 3:07 pm Sujet du message: |
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Hi Pako !
As you know, i'm not good in english but if you send me a private message or if you go to the girotek chat (with mirc it's better..) i would be happy to respond you.
I'm in the irc since 9am to 6pm.
Bye !
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